Christians Get Depressed Too: Hope and Help for Depressed

Christians Get Depressed Too: Hope and Help for Depressed People❴Read❵ ➳ Christians Get Depressed Too: Hope and Help for Depressed People Author David P. Murray – Varanus.us Many Christians mistakenly believe that true Christians don t get depressed, and this misconception heaps additional pain and guilt onto Christians who are suffering from mental and emotional distress Many Christians mistakenly believe that true Christians don Depressed Too: PDF/EPUB ½ t get depressed, and this misconception heaps additional pain and guilt onto Christians who are suffering from mental Christians Get PDF/EPUB or and emotional distress Author David P Murray comes to the defense of depressed Christians, asserting that Christians do get depressed He explains why and how Christians should Get Depressed Too: PDF ↠ study depression, what depression is, and the approaches caregivers, pastors, and churches can take to help those who are suffering from it With clarity and wise biblical insight, Dr Murray offers help and hope to those suffering from depression, the family members and friends who care for them, and pastors ministering to these wounded members of their flock.

Christians Get Depressed Too: Hope and Help for Depressed
    Christians Get Depressed Too: Hope and Help for Depressed insight, Dr Murray offers help and hope to those suffering from depression, the family members and friends who care for them, and pastors ministering to these wounded members of their flock."/>
  • Paperback
  • 112 pages
  • Christians Get Depressed Too: Hope and Help for Depressed People
  • David P. Murray
  • English
  • 12 November 2019
  • 1601781008

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    Christians Get Depressed Too: Hope and Help for Depressed insight, Dr Murray offers help and hope to those suffering from depression, the family members and friends who care for them, and pastors ministering to these wounded members of their flock."/>
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    With less than 125 pages, this packs a punch Every Christian should read, whether you suffer from depression or not It is something that can be hard to understand because it is so complex The table of contents are as follows The Crisis, The Complexity, The Condition, The Causes, The Cures, The Caregivers He also has an Appendix on the sufficienty of scripture, salvation, sanctification and Spectacles Their are 3 extreme positions in the cause of depression, one is all physical, all spiritu With less than 125 pages, this packs a punch Every Christian should read, whether you suffer from depression or not It is something that can be hard to understand because it is so complex The table of contents are as follows The Crisis, The Complexity, The Condition, The Causes, The Cures, The Caregivers He also has an Appendix on the sufficienty of scripture, salvation, sanctification and Spectacles Their are 3 extreme positions in the cause of depression, one is all physical, all spiritual or all mental The book describes the danger of such an outlook and goes into each one and how they affect the other Because of depression, false thought patterns often occur and can cause even a deeper darkness that sometimes calls for medication A balanced solution is the key to recovery, along with patience, a williness to recover, and to understand God loves you and uses depression in your life to reveal himself


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    Today s Church has been beset with numerous challenges Few have been so distressing as the problem of depression Good people are weighed down with their own depression or perplexed about that of friends and family members In some sectors of the Church, this is complicated by a stigma associated with depression Sin ultimately causes depression, it is assumed And the conclusion follows that good Christians don t get depressed.To counter these notions about depression, David P Murray has writ Today s Church has been beset with numerous challenges Few have been so distressing as the problem of depression Good people are weighed down with their own depression or perplexed about that of friends and family members In some sectors of the Church, this is complicated by a stigma associated with depression Sin ultimately causes depression, it is assumed And the conclusion follows that good Christians don t get depressed.To counter these notions about depression, David P Murray has written an incredibly helpful book entitled, Christians Get Depressed Too Murray, Professor of Old Testament and Practical Theology at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary, has encountered depression in ministry and personal contexts enough to be both well versed on the topic and sensitive to the need for sound resources The book he has written is intentionally short since depressed people cannot read hundreds of pages pg xi It serves as a resource for caregivers as well as a source of hope for the depressed who consciously decide they want to get better.Murray explains what depression is and what it signifies He counters the approach which assumes as a default that behind most bouts of depression lie hidden sin problems The picture is muchcomplex than that, he claims He exposes the faulty thinking patterns which often contribute to depression, and finds examples of such thinking, and even the depression which results, in the lives of people in Scripture In defense of the physiological nature of much of depression, Murray appeals to Puritans such as Richard Baxter.On the role of medicine, Murray finds two unhelpful extremes too much dependence on medicine, and the aversion of any use of it at all Along these lines, he says Treating a depressed person with medication is often no different from giving my eight year old daughter one of her many daily injections of insulin for diabetes I am not merely alleviating symptoms, but addressing the cause depleted insulin due to dying or dead cells in her pancreas And if she is lethargic, weepy, or irrational due to low sugar levels, I do not ask her what commandments she has broken or what issues of meaning and relationship she has in her life I pity her, weep for her, and thank God for His gracious provision of medicine for her pg 64 65.This is not to say, Murray merely refers Christians suffering from depression to their local psychiatrist Rather, he offers an abundance of help from the Scriptures on how to correct thinking patterns and learn to receive even depression as a gift from God s very hand He points to a little remembered passage where Scripture says, God left Hezekiah, that he might know all that was in his heart 2 Chron 32 31 Murray elaborates This is not an objective leaving, but a subjective leaving God withdrew Himself from Hezekiah s spiritual feelings so that he lost his sense of God s presence, protection, and favor But God had a wise and loving purpose in this Sometimes God may wisely, temporarily, and proportionately withdraw the sense of His favor and presence to remind us of our state without Him and to lead us to greater thankfulness and appreciation for Him He may do this by lovingly afflicting our brain, disrupting it s chemistry and electricity, just as He does when He lovingly afflicts one of His dear children with epilepsy, or any other disease pg 65.This small book of 120 or so small sized pages, will prove an immense help to both caregivers and those suffering from depression It is a primer on depression and in it, Murray offers a careful list of recommended resources, for those looking to continue their study of this topic The book s attractive cover, and handy, almost pocket size, make it an ideal book to giveaway to friends dealing with this issue I ve already loaned or given out copies of this inexpensive book, and plan on using this as a resource for years to come


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    Is it a sin problem or a sinus problem I have noticed that when I am sick, so is the Holy Spirit The fruit of the Spirit seems to spoil when I don t feel well I am not saying that it s ok to sin because I don t feel well Sin is not ever justified Sin is always a choice However, we are complicated creatures The physical, emotional and spiritual are intertwined Sometimes there are physical reasons I don t feel spiritual Sometimes there are emotional reasons I don t feel good And someti Is it a sin problem or a sinus problem I have noticed that when I am sick, so is the Holy Spirit The fruit of the Spirit seems to spoil when I don t feel well I am not saying that it s ok to sin because I don t feel well Sin is not ever justified Sin is always a choice However, we are complicated creatures The physical, emotional and spiritual are intertwined Sometimes there are physical reasons I don t feel spiritual Sometimes there are emotional reasons I don t feel good And sometimes there are spiritual reasons why my emotions are off How does this play into depression This is the theme of David Murray s small book Christians Get Depressed Too Murray is Professor of Old Testament and Practical Theology at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan Although he is a professional theologian, he writes with a pastor s heart Anybody who has ever struggled with depression or has cared for someone who has been depressed should read this book In six chapters, Murray deals with the crisis, complexity, condition, causes, and cures of depression and concludes with some advice for caregivers Murray advises balance He wants to avoid dogmatism Unfortunately, Christian preachers and writers have often taken a dogmatic attitude into areas where the Word of God is not dogmatic p 11 We should seek humility There are two extremes when it comes to dealing with depression One extreme is that the causes are all physical This leads to medication being the preferred solution The other extreme is that the causes are all spiritual Jay Adams, the founder of the Christian counseling movement, popularized this Amiddle of the road approach is best represented by according to Murray the CCEF Christian Counseling and Education Foundation The fall brought sin and sickness If other parts of our body can get ill, why can t our brains Isn t it an organ just like our hearts and livers We take medications all the time to fix chemical imbalances Sometimes this is necessary for the brain However, sometimes the problem isn t chemical, it is spiritual The challenge is to discern which is which This book strives to help us ask the right questions Certainly there arein depth books on this complicated subject However, I would recommend this book as a good primer


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    Very helpful resource


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    This was one of my new Kindle books I was hoping for a lotOddly, the first thing I read when I got this book was the appendix I don t usually read appendices at all, but this one was really good Mr Murray wrote a really good article about how Christians should view secular science He said that we should not take everything we hear, see and read as Gospel truth Instead, we should be steeped in the knowledge of the Word of God and view everything we see through the lens of Scripture This was one of my new Kindle books I was hoping for a lotOddly, the first thing I read when I got this book was the appendix I don t usually read appendices at all, but this one was really good Mr Murray wrote a really good article about how Christians should view secular science He said that we should not take everything we hear, see and read as Gospel truth Instead, we should be steeped in the knowledge of the Word of God and view everything we see through the lens of Scripture How great is that Then I went back and read the book In many ways the book was very good It did a good job of pointing out various characters in the Bible who suffered from depression for various reasons Mr Murray had spend many years with depressed people and so he knew what depression was The down side was that other than observing that Biblical characters were depressed, he almost totally took the non Christian medical model as the standard for explaining depression.He said over and over again that depression and anxiety should be viewed as a medical condition rather than as a result of sin or of sin itself He never addressed the fact that the Bible specifically commands us not to be anxious Mt 6 25 34 10 19 1 Cor 7 32 Phil 4 8 Even in those situations in the Bible when people are depressed he didn t ever examine the contexts of those cases and see if sin was involved in any way He just mentioned them and went on to tell Christians that depression is primarily a medical, biological and chemical problem I don t know what happened to the lens.I always find it interesting, even when reading specifically non Christian literature on so called mental disorders, how often they are compared to clearly physical diseases For example, Mr Murray, on several occasions compared depression with polio, diabetes, and cancer He said that we should think of depression in the same way we think of those kinds of physical maladies But then when he went on to talk about how to treat depression, he mentioned examining yourself to see where the depression came from, confessing any sin in your life, making restitution where it is needed, and walking with God But that is not how you treat cancer You try to find it and kill it You don t change your behavior to avoid polio, you get a shot If you were to take a person off the street and give him a simple blood test, you could tell him, when the tests results came in, whether he had diabetes or not It is testable You can test for cancer You can test for polio With depression where is the test It is a completely different animal from a disease.Am I saying that depression is not a chemical, biological and physical event in a person s life Not at all I know that depression has physical components, but I also know that when you ask the question, What was going on in your life when the depression first hit you and the person always comes up with some stressful event I would look at the event, or the response to the event before I would begin pumping the person full of an anti depressant.There are aspects to this that are not even about the difference between a Biblical Counselor and non Christian counselor This is simple logic Even after Mr Murray explained that the problem is first chemical and biological, he goes on to help the depressed person eliminate sinful responses and behaviors from the person s life He says it is chemical, but then treats it as if it were not chemical.There is one area in all this I tend to agree with Mr Murray He said that people are different from one another I m with him on that He also said that different people s bodies react differently to different kinds of stimulation I m with him on this too Some people get ulcers from worry Some people get heart attacks, when others have strokes, when others get various forms of dementia People are different, we re all dying, all falling apart in different ways I m with him on this And some people get depressed when others, going through the same life events, don t I m there with him too His conclusion is that therefore depression is unavoidable and just comes on some folks and not on others On this last point, the jury is out on There is no proof that anyone gets depressed independently from the things going on around them And even if there was proof, given the world we live in, it would be the exception, not the rule.This means that even if some people do get depressed apart from anything else going on in their lives, this should not be the first thing we think when we seek to minister to them It should be in the back of our minds, but not the assumption that Mr Murray is suggesting The vast majority of people who come to us for counsel concerning depression are depressed for reasons other than that their body is falling apart Their bodies are falling apart and maybe even because of the depression, but usually there are things going on with them These things that are going on with them are usually related to handling the situations of their lives in unwise and sinful ways They are often angry, bitter, hurt, in grief, or a myriad of other things, all piled up and crushing the person into bitterness.Overall the book was thought provoking, but I disagree with the premises and with Mr Murray s attempt to apply what he said about viewing non Christian science through the lens of Scripture It didn t appear that he read his own appendix before writing his book I would love to discuss these things with him in person some time


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    9 10 excellent This brief book is ideal for Christians who want a better understanding of the roles of the spiritual, the physical and the psychological in depression and anxiety In six short chapters only 100 small pages in total , Murray guides readers away from extremes, and to a balanced, biblical position that helps sufferers and carers understand depression, its causes, and what can be done to help I ve bought multiple copies, as I know it will be useful to give to many others.


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    Such a balanced and helpful book for Christians who are either walking through depression or trying to support someone who is Excellent


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    A short and necessary read For twelve years Murray served as a minister in northwest Scotland, which contains some of the highest rates of depression in the world He writes, then, not as a dispassionate observer, but as a caring pastor serving hurting people His pastoral sensibilities and insights certainly emerge in this brief work and provide much of the value for it Murray s book contributes a helpful and charitable counterbalance to those trained in the NANC counseling method But h A short and necessary read For twelve years Murray served as a minister in northwest Scotland, which contains some of the highest rates of depression in the world He writes, then, not as a dispassionate observer, but as a caring pastor serving hurting people His pastoral sensibilities and insights certainly emerge in this brief work and provide much of the value for it Murray s book contributes a helpful and charitable counterbalance to those trained in the NANC counseling method But he is no respecter of counseling schools of thought, for he also takes issue with CCEF on occasion The book is addressed to the depressed person as well as to those caring for the depressed It s fardescriptive than prescriptive, and farintroductory and pastoral handbook like than exhaustive and definitive As a good Presbyterian or a bad one , the author engageswith the Westminster Confession and historical theology than he does with the Biblical text Helpful to be sure, and certainly not neglectful of Scripture, it simply unpacksof the WCF than it does the sacred text The result is he may fall victim to his own critique, viz that much of the counsel and approach to the depressed arises from personal experience rather than medicinal or biblical reality There are still questions unanswered for me, but as a minister I am thankful for the work Murray has done here and will certainly recommend it to friends and congregants It will free minsters and congregants from some false guilt and point us all to the only one who was truly forsaken and abandoned so that we don t have to be


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    Excellent, balanced and short.Murray knows the difference between depression that is physically or chemically caused, and depression that irresponsibly mishandles feelings or difficulties Sometimes the two are intertwined Medication can be wrongly prescribed when the cause is spiritual Rebuke can be wrongly administered when the cause is medical.Murray s main point in writing is in the title Christians should not load themselves with false guilt simply for noticing they are depressed Christ Excellent, balanced and short.Murray knows the difference between depression that is physically or chemically caused, and depression that irresponsibly mishandles feelings or difficulties Sometimes the two are intertwined Medication can be wrongly prescribed when the cause is spiritual Rebuke can be wrongly administered when the cause is medical.Murray s main point in writing is in the title Christians should not load themselves with false guilt simply for noticing they are depressed Christians can and do suffer from all forms of depression This doesn t mean it is always a sickness for which they bear no responsibility, but sometimes it is His main point leads Murray to argue against assuming as a default starting point that depression has a sinful cause That may be where you wind up, but when the counselor starts his investigation from that viewpoint, it can harm the one suffering.Being diagnosed with depression doesn t mean God doesn t love you One of the best parts of the book is the way Murray applies a Reformed view of God s sovereignty to depression God afflicts us with diseases and difficulties for a reason a holy reason that is for our good, though we cannot see it.The church does not handle afflictions like this well How do you raise and face deeply personal problems publicly, and live with them for years, when they have no simple solution The church needs to extend and show much patience and love through this.Murray offers lots of practical help in a short space, for the sufferer and their caregivers both Highly recommended


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    This book takes a balanced look at the physical, psychological, and spiritual components of depression The writer does not at all deny the possibility of sin as one possible contributing factor to depression However, those who believe the only explanation for their depression is their own wrong behavior and are thus trapped in a cycle of guilt and further hopelessness will be most helped by this book It is succinct and clear enough to help both those going through depression and those past This book takes a balanced look at the physical, psychological, and spiritual components of depression The writer does not at all deny the possibility of sin as one possible contributing factor to depression However, those who believe the only explanation for their depression is their own wrong behavior and are thus trapped in a cycle of guilt and further hopelessness will be most helped by this book It is succinct and clear enough to help both those going through depression and those pastors spouses friends who are trying to bring help and counsel to someone going through a difficult time

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